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"Ron Suarez" <ron_suarez_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Ummmm.. Wake up TMB...the USCF HAS partnered with Chess Cafe.
In fact
No percentage, flat fee. When it became apparent that the board was
leaning > the agreement is that even the goods sold at the Chess Cafe web site > will be counted as USCF sold stuff, meaning the USCF will get a > percentage of those sales as well. towards Malcolm Pein's operation, Bill Goichberg brought on board. Frank Camaratta, who told me personally that he had no financial interest in ChessCafe, was able to solicit Bill's help in convincing the board to go with Frank's partners. At the last board meeting Bill then took over the meeting and wouldn't
let As to Bill, he used to say that Doris Barry had a financial
interest in 1. Do you have a financial interest in this ChessCafe deal? StanB |
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>Subject: Re: Yes, I am running
Incorrect, it's the larger of a percentage or $350,000 per year, and
we expect >From: "StanB" s...@snbco.com >Date: 2/6/2004 10:56 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <crRUb.12920$jH6.11...@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net> >"Ron Suarez" <ron_suarez_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> Ummmm.. Wake up TMB...the USCF HAS partnered with Chess
Cafe. In fact >No
percentage, flat fee. to get mre than $350,000. You shouldn't misinform people when you could have just asked me or a Board member and learned the facts. When it became apparent that the board was leaning
>towards Malcolm Pein's operation, Bill Goichberg brought on
board. Frank
Not so. I negotiated with three bidders and all submitted much
better bids >Camaratta, who told me personally that he had no financial interest in >ChessCafe, was able to solicit Bill's help in convincing the board to go >with Frank's partners. than what we had received before the Board meeting. Camaratta was not involved in the negotiations and recused himself from the Board discussions and votes. The ChessCafe bid was clearly the best in terms of both 1) money to
USCF and 2)
>At the last board meeting Bill then took over the meeting and
wouldn't let
Wrong. At the Board meeting, I was authorized to negotiate with
bidders. The >anyone else get a word in edgewise. So: the board was swayed to accept the >Camaratta's company's bid. Board could have accepted the bid they had then, but it they did so we would now have a lower percentage, no guarantee, and no payment for Chess Life ad space. Is that the bid you would have supported? ChessCafe subsequently made the best bid and it was approved in a
conference One more instance of people with vested interests
>having inside information and a vote to SELF DEAL.
One more instance of people who don't know what they're talking
about sounding off. Who had inside information? What information did they have? Is it
your
>As to Bill, he used to say that Doris Barry had a financial
interest in
Of course not. >Games Parlor and that is why she pushed for it. Some questions for Bill: >1. Do you have a financial interest in this ChessCafe deal?
>2. Do you have a financial interest in serving as ED?
I am not paid, and don't even claim all my expenses. I do want the
USCF to survive; maybe you think that's a conflict of interest. Maybe you would rather have an ED who doesn't care if USCF pulls through or not.
>3. Who is the ED since you haven't you been in the office for
almost two
Your math isn't so good for a CPA- I was last in the office January
13. I will >months? be back in a few days and have no more long trips scheduled. While in the west I have been working more than 40 hours a week on USCF business, including the outsourcing negotiations, building sale, Trust negotiations, meeting with Erik Anderson in Santa Monica, and many other matters.
>4. Does "team player" mean someone that keeps quiet while
others SELF DEAL?
I would say that a team player does not make irresponsible charges
backed up by not a shred of evidence. "Self deal" doesn't become true just because you put it in all caps and repeat it over and over, you know. Instead of posting what you GUESS is probably happening, why not ask some Board members what is ACTUALLY happening?
>5. Did you take a vow as a OMOV supporter to not run for office
or serve as
No. >an officer if it passed? Bill Goichberg |
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>Subject: Re: Yes, I am running
OK, let's see how many Board members agree with you that there's no
percentage. >From: "StanB" stanb...@comXXXcast.net >Date: 2/7/2004 5:58 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <Qo-dnQnpU4yGcrndRVn...@comcast.com> >"Recmate" <recm...@aol.com> wrote in message >> >No percentage, flat fee. >> Incorrect, it's the larger of a percentage or $350,000 per
year, and we >I asked and got that info from board members. We have a written bid and if sales top $2.533 million in any year, USCF will get more than the $350,000 minimum guarantee on a percentage basis.
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>> When it became apparent that the board was leaning
I don't know what you mean, but if you want to know the history, the
Board >> >towards Malcolm Pein's operation, Bill Goichberg brought on board. Frank >> >Camaratta, who told me personally that he had no financial interest in >> >ChessCafe, was able to solicit Bill's help in convincing the board to go >> >with Frank's partners. >> Not so. I negotiated with three bidders and all submitted much
better >Are you saying you have several long phone calls regarding
this subject considered approving a bid at its Florida meeting. Camaratta recused himself from both the discusssion and the vote. The Board asked me to negotiate with bidders. I kept the Board subcommittee on outsourcing, which did not include Camaratta, informed regarding the progress of the negotiations. Camaratta did not particpate in any way and was not informed about details of any bids. Finally a conference call was scheduled for Feb 3 to vote on the bids. Camaratta began the call by announcing his resignation from the Board and then left the call. The Board then discussed the bids and selected ChessCafe.
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>> >At the last board meeting Bill then took over the meeting
and wouldn't
That was not your entire statement. You also said that the Board
was swayed to >let >> >anyone else get a word in edgewise. So: the board was swayed to accept >the >> >Camaratta's company's bid. >> Wrong. At the Board meeting, I was authorized to negotiate with
bidders. >You changed the subject. The statement was: At the last
board meeting Bill accept a certain bid. The bid you were referring to did not even exist at that point. It came later because I asked ChessCafe if they were interested in bidding. Also, the Board members of course had plenty of opportunity to disagree when I expressed the opinion that the bidding should remain open.
>> ChessCafe subsequently made the best bid and it was approved
in a
Completely false. Camaratta had no knowledge of any of the three
final bids. >conference >> call three weeks later. No swaying was necessary as their bid was clearly >the >> best. >Bargaining in bad faith. They were allowed to rebid after frank knew
the Also, I promised all the bidders that no other bidder would be told the details of their bid, and this was strictly observed.
>> One more instance of people with vested interests
How so? Well, you have posted a lot of incorrect information
regarding both >> >having inside information and a vote to SELF DEAL. >> One more instance of people who don't know what they're talking
about >How so? the final bid that was accepted and the process. There is a percentage to USCF in the accepted bid, there was no ChessCafe bid at the time of the Florida meeting, Camaratta was not involved in negotiations and had no knowledge of the three final bids, and I could not and did not prevent Board members from expressing their views at the Florida meeting. Virtually everything that you have posted on the subject of B & E outsourcing has been incorrect.
>> Who had inside information? What information did they have?
Is it your
I suspect that if USCF had accepted an inferior bid, for instance
one with a >> position that if USCF is getting a good deal, this shows there is >corruption? >> Would you prefer that we had gotten a bad deal? If we had accepted an >inferior >> offer, wouldn't you now be suggesting that someone must have been paid off >to >> agree to such a lousy deal? >Ibid above. smaller percentage than we finally got, no minimum guarantee, and the obligation to give away a lot of Chess Life pages free, then you would have said "SELF DEAL" and wondered who at USCF was paid off to accept so much less than the Federation could have obtained by negotiating with more bidders.
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>> >As to Bill, he used to say that Doris Barry had a financial
interest in
Before Christmas to 1/13 is not a two month period. >> >Games Parlor and that is why she pushed for it. Some questions for Bill: >> >1. Do you have a financial interest in this ChessCafe deal? >> Of course not. >> >2. Do you have a financial interest in serving as ED? >> I am not paid, and don't even claim all my expenses. I do
want the USCF >> >3. Who is the ED since you haven't you been in the office
for almost two >> Your math isn't so good for a CPA- I was last in the
office January 13. I >Does this mean you were in the office from before Christmas
until 1/13 or If you must know, after running the Las Vegas tournament Dec 26-29 I
flew back
>> While in the west
As chairman of the Finance Committee, I am sure you realize that
getting >> I have been working more than 40 hours a week on USCF business, including >the >> outsourcing negotiations, building sale, Trust negotiations, meeting with >Erik >> Anderson in Santa Monica, and many other matters. >Why would we need to sell the building now that we have such a deal
from $350,000 or $400,000 per year from B & E outsourcing by itself, while helpful, does not solve all of USCF's financial problems.
And why would we want to spend a lot of money fixing up the
This is a new subject but since you asked, we have an offer which
includes a >basement for our new landlords when all we get is a year's free rent? What >then? Buy another building? year of free rent in our lower floor. This coupled with the space we are already leasing next door would be sufficient space for us now that we are outsourcing B & E. However, our downstairs is not suitable for offices without renovation. We are not willing to pay for all of the latter and have asked the buyer to pay for it. They are willing to help with it but not pay the entire cost. Negotiation is continuing. The cost of renovation is expected to be much less than the market price for renting the space for a year. As to what will happen after a year if we sell to this buyer and accept
the
>> >4. Does "team player" mean someone that keeps quiet while
others SELF
No, that's not the case. >DEAL? >> I would say that a team player does not make irresponsible charges
backed >No, it becomes true when a board member gets a deal for
himself by agreeing Ask a Board member to show you the three final bids. Since you are a
financial
>> Instead of posting what you GUESS is probably happening, why
not ask some
Then there has been a misunderstanding. Go back to those Board
members and >Board >> members what is ACTUALLY happening? >Who do you think told me if not board members. recheck your facts.
You certainlt didn't ask for
Frank does not own part of ChessCafe, though he did formerly have a
2% interest >any advice from the finance chair when you "negotiated" the financial >aspects of this deal for Frank's company. in it. The Board was free to consult you about the bids, although it doesn't take much expertise to know that more money beats less, and a bidder who will merge with USCF and give us a commission on the whole thing beats one who will keep running his own B & E business on the side that competes with the Federation.
>> >5. Did you take a vow as a OMOV supporter to not run for
office or serve
What is "the FAQ" ? >as >> >an officer if it passed? >> No. >That's not what the FAQ said. Bill Goichberg
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